Christians or Atheists; the most annoying of the two
I have stated before that debating, protesting or mocking a persons religion or beliefs on the internet goes on the slam a door on your dick on the productive scale.
But atheists and Christians on the internet have both annoyed the hell outta me (equally) so I decided to have my say on this;
To start this off I don't consider myself neither a christian nor an atheist but rather agnostic which is;
a person that believes nothing is known
or can be known in the existence or nature
of God or anything beyond material
phenomenon; a person who neither claims neither
faith no disbelief in God
I don't get why atheists dislike agnostics some even referring to them as 'sub believers', this makes little sense to me, I don't believe in the Christian God which is what most atheists spend their time bashing, the Bible wasn't written word for word by God, in fact it wasn't written by God at all but by man a few decades after Jesus ascended to heaven after rising from the dead that is.
Although I agree on most things atheists preach as being more true than what Christians preach, but these days on the internet everywhere I turn they seem to be looking into mythology, already rejecting God and wanting to figure out the truth that they say they already know (the truth on the existence of a God).
A thing that annoys me about Christians is the fact that they protest that Hitler was an atheist, although this isn't true and it has been proven that Hitler was born a Roman Catholic and continued to reference 'God' in many of his speeches he's a person both parties don't want to be involved with, which makes me wonder why Christians continue to state it and bring it up when referring to atheists when it isn't true!
Anyway not to get sidetracked;
Another reason why I'm agnostic is the fact that the the universe is utterly enormous, Earth is smaller than a grain of salt on a beach in regard to the rest of the universe, and atheists preach that there is no divine power or God anywhere in the universe that we know piss all about!
The bus campaign in London by the atheists in the last couple of years show signs (like above) that I totally agree with, Christianity has you believe that you have an afterlife that will be better than this one yet committing suicide to get their sooner is a sin (yes people actually think like that).
I still refer to myself as "a good Christian" even though I don't believe in God or the afterlife but want to live out this life the best I can rather than wasting it waiting for the next one!
p.s. the title may be a little misleading since I have come to the conclusion that both Atheists and Christians are equally annoying.
But atheists and Christians on the internet have both annoyed the hell outta me (equally) so I decided to have my say on this;
To start this off I don't consider myself neither a christian nor an atheist but rather agnostic which is;
a person that believes nothing is known
or can be known in the existence or nature
of God or anything beyond material
phenomenon; a person who neither claims neither
faith no disbelief in God
I don't get why atheists dislike agnostics some even referring to them as 'sub believers', this makes little sense to me, I don't believe in the Christian God which is what most atheists spend their time bashing, the Bible wasn't written word for word by God, in fact it wasn't written by God at all but by man a few decades after Jesus ascended to heaven after rising from the dead that is.
Although I agree on most things atheists preach as being more true than what Christians preach, but these days on the internet everywhere I turn they seem to be looking into mythology, already rejecting God and wanting to figure out the truth that they say they already know (the truth on the existence of a God).
A thing that annoys me about Christians is the fact that they protest that Hitler was an atheist, although this isn't true and it has been proven that Hitler was born a Roman Catholic and continued to reference 'God' in many of his speeches he's a person both parties don't want to be involved with, which makes me wonder why Christians continue to state it and bring it up when referring to atheists when it isn't true!
Anyway not to get sidetracked;
Another reason why I'm agnostic is the fact that the the universe is utterly enormous, Earth is smaller than a grain of salt on a beach in regard to the rest of the universe, and atheists preach that there is no divine power or God anywhere in the universe that we know piss all about!
The bus campaign in London by the atheists in the last couple of years show signs (like above) that I totally agree with, Christianity has you believe that you have an afterlife that will be better than this one yet committing suicide to get their sooner is a sin (yes people actually think like that).
I still refer to myself as "a good Christian" even though I don't believe in God or the afterlife but want to live out this life the best I can rather than wasting it waiting for the next one!
p.s. the title may be a little misleading since I have come to the conclusion that both Atheists and Christians are equally annoying.
Labels: atheism, christianty, religion
posted by Paul Iddon @ 1:02 PM
13 Comments:
At June 19, 2009 2:13 PM ,
name said...
agnostics are annoying because they enter an argument to say "I don't have a conclusion!" and then whine about how everyone else doesn't join them in their socially motivated shoulder shrugging. They're like people who feel a need to publically shout "WHO CARES!" about an issue instead of just going about their lives not caring.
Really, you can find something to be annoyed about in anything if your concerns are petty enough and petty concerns are signs of a privileged life, so just be happy with what you've got and quit shaking your fist at nothing.
At June 19, 2009 3:21 PM ,
BarkingToad said...
Who are these people that claim agnosticism is a separate category?
Agnosticism: Accepting that you do not know, possibly that it is impossible to know. Atheism: The absence or lack of belief in deities, possibly the belief that no deities exist.
One refers to knowledge, the other to belief. I'm an agnostic atheist, I accept that I don't know with 100% certainty, but I don't believe in any gods. The author of this piece appears to agree. That makes him/her an atheist.
At June 19, 2009 6:32 PM ,
Neanderthalman said...
Figures that an agnostic would fail to come to a conclusion as to whether atheists or theists are more annoying. :P
FWIW, agnostic/gnostic is orthogonal to atheist/theist. Given that you don't believe in god, that makes you an atheist. Accepting that you do not know with certainty makes you an agnostic atheist. Most of the atheists you rail upon are in fact the same as you, agnostic atheists.
At June 19, 2009 11:45 PM ,
Anonymous said...
It really doesn't matter if you are an atheist or an agnostic. According to the informed xtians we are all going to Hell. I suggest that you take an ample supply of wieners and buns with
you, it's going to be a long BBQ. But the xtians in good standing will have to sit on a cloud all day next to some murderer or rapist who finally got religion. Sounds like giant load of crap to me.
At June 20, 2009 1:16 PM ,
Anonymous said...
Hi, it's vlad from myspace. just read your blog. And i have to say something about that.
I used to be atheist, but then i turned right into GOD. I spell GOD cause it is the deadline, the last one when you have nothing left and none around to help.
I think every man has such situation even once in a life.
Who do you call to? the psycologist ? a hypocrite talking to you for money. Some fake friend who laugh about you behind your back?
No, you turn to GOD and pray.
GOD is inside of a man , in his thought and he is leading him through life. Everyone has it's own GOD.
At July 1, 2009 9:17 PM ,
Anonymous said...
"Another reason why I'm agnostic is the fact that the the universe is utterly enormous."
That's a cop out, like saying I'm willing to accept that Santa Clause or the Easter Bunny may exist because the universe is so big. The only difference is the name of the concept that we created; see ignosticism.
At July 28, 2009 5:53 PM ,
Anonymous said...
Paul you need to do some more thinking on this matter because your thoughts are neither novel not accurate and your definition of an agnostic is equally sufficient for an atheist.
You're probably an atheist, you just don't know what one is yet.
At July 28, 2009 9:31 PM ,
Scooty Puff Jr. said...
If you think annoyance factor is a worthwhile criticism of atheists or Christians, then you're missing the point. You're playing a game of tu quoque about something that's entirely inconsequential. It's like saying that you don't agree with segregationists, but the equal rights crowd is just as annoying. Who cares? Grow some thicker skin. The issue is that bronze age mythology combined with twenty first century military technology is a recipe for unprecedented disaster. When you have a spokesmen for the largest sect of Christians in the world (the supposedly more progressive and liberal Catholics) saying things like, "We have laws, we have a discipline, we have a doctrine of the faith, this is not just theory. And you can't start backpedaling just because the real-life situation carries a certain human weight.", then annoyance is at the bottom of the list of important issues.
I think the reason that a lot of atheists dislike agnostics is because whenever some says, "I'm an agnostic...", something either incredibly misguided and/or arrogant usually follows. Many of them view apathetic indifference, complacency, and complicity as somehow virtuous positions. They tend to be using their own definitions of words that no one else uses and then argue against a position that nearly no one holds and project these misperceptions onto others. To quote George H. Smith, "Properly considered, agnosticism is not a third alternative to theism and atheism because it is concerned with a different aspect of religious belief. Theism and atheism refer to the presence or absence of belief in a god; agnosticism refers to the impossibility of knowledge with regard to a god or supernatural being." The mere fact that there exists agnostic theists should tell a person that agnosticism is an entirely separate issue from whether or not they believe in a god or gods.
At July 28, 2009 10:23 PM ,
Anonymous said...
Interesting. I'd describe myself with your description of yourself. I also consider myself a negative atheist towards the deist god(s), and a positive atheist towards everyone's God that meddles in our existence.
At July 29, 2009 10:54 AM ,
Anonymous said...
While he gave some lip service to the Church in his public speeches (even today the politicians must pander to the religious people), Hitler hated the religion and blasted the Christianity when he was speaking in his inner circle.
Some quotes:
"National Socialism and religion cannot exist together"
""The heaviest blow that ever struck humanity was the coming of Christianity. Bolshevism is Christianity's illegitimate child. Both are inventions of the Jew. The deliberate lie in the matter of religion was introduced into the world by Christianity"
"The reason why the ancient world was so pure, light and serene was that it knew nothing of the two great scourges: the pox and Christianity"
All the totalitarian regimes are anti-religious because they want 100% of the people's minds and hearts. The religion is replaced actually with the Adoration of the State.
At August 27, 2009 6:17 PM ,
img said...
Agnostics are just being honest with themselves. Religion has doctrines that can't be proven, Atheists have science that doesn't exactly disprove anything.
So being Agnostic makes sense if you don't want to fool yourself.
At August 27, 2009 6:21 PM ,
Paul Iddon said...
you hit the nail right on the head there img thanks for your comment!
At September 29, 2009 7:26 PM ,
Anonymous said...
As someone raised in a Protestant family, it probably isn't surprising that I may not agree with everything in this article. But there are some points raised here on which I would like to offer my viewpoint. The bit about Hitler was different than what I've usually assumed, but I will say this: Hitler may have been raised Catholic and referenced God in his speeches, but that doesn't mean he was a good Christian. The Church is perfectly justified in denouncing Hitler, his Catholic background notwithstanding, due to that fact that his actions were not in keeping with the proper exercise of the Christian faith. The problem for Christians, I think, comes when some individuals try to discredit the entire institution by pointing out the bad behavior of certain people who claim to be among its members. Jesus himself said that not everyone who appears to profess faith in Him would make it into Heaven because not everyone who claims membership in the church is a genuine believer. Every organization is bound to have a few bad apples, and the church is no exception--believe me, I know what I'm talking about here! But that doesn't mean that the whole Church is no good, or that what it fundamentally stands for at its core is somehow objectionable. Also, don't forget that ultimately what one does with faith is a matter of individual choice; if you don't believe in any kind of higher power, that's up to you.
With regard to the last paragraph's reference to suicide, I think the best way to explian this is that the Christian viewpoint is that suicide--that is, killing yourself just for the sake of killing yourself--is wrong because it can be considered a form of murder, which as a Christian one believes is always wrong. That's not to say that something like, for example, self-sacrifice for someone else is wrong, only the act of killing oneself for its own sake. That's why Christians believe that suicides don't get into Heaven.
Finally, I'd also like to mention that even having faith in something greater than people doesn't mean that you automatically know it's there. It simply means that you believe that something bigger than us must exist; many of us feel that this life makes no sense unless there's something else besides just what's around us every day, even if you don't have proof of its existence. That's what "faith" is, after all. Personally, I do sometimes find myself wondering about faith, and I do think that agnostics may have a point in that there are things about the nature of that "higher power," whatever one may believe that to be, that are entirely beyond our ability to fully understand, at least in this life, and that will not be fully understandable to us until after this life ends.
I know I went kind of long with this, but this is one of those topics that really can't be addressed succinctly.
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